Comments on POLITICAL INACTION: Democrats slitting their own throats

liberals are pissed, but they still come home (to ...

2009-12-19T19:31:59.925-05:00

liberals are pissed, but they still come home (to roost!) come vote time. w/o making endless demands for thr home states.

and I do think they are also denigrating nelson and lieberman the men---moveon just raised 1million+ to rightly shit on Lieberman.

Liberals did NOT kill the public option in the Senate. Lieberman, nelson, Landrieu, Lincoln, et. al. did. And you are severely hard-pressed to make a case of how they will kill it in the future. Nelson has already said this morning that if it's in the bill that comes out of conference, he won't vote for it.

Exactly Megan, the liberals have no where to go so...

2009-12-19T16:00:52.047-05:00

Exactly Megan, the liberals have no where to go so they should shut the fuck up and stop giving ammo to Republican opponents. Nelson and Lieberman were always tough sells. By denigrating the bill instead of them, liberal groups killed the public option in the Senate bill. If they don't get positive about the merged bill in conference REAL quick, they'll kill the public option, trigger, opt out, or Medicare buy in for good.

BF, the big news today is that BEN NELSON IS ON BO...

2009-12-19T13:36:38.637-05:00

BF, the big news today is that BEN NELSON IS ON BOARD, giving the lede that "nelson is on board, dems should have 60".

Do you see headlines saying "Dems still need 5 liberal votes to get to 60"?? NO.

As Bill Press said last night, I'd rather be seen as a Democrat fighting with one another how to reform healthcare, with even some of those Dems fighting for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, then a Republican that is doing nothing but fighting to prevent reform.

Megan, I'm not saying the republicans aren't criti...

2009-12-19T11:52:38.990-05:00

Megan, I'm not saying the republicans aren't criticizing the effort, of course they are. My problem is that their delay and obstructionism should be the story. But it isn't. The democrats have given the media a new toy to play with, allowing the republican tactics to go unnoticed. It is a new story for the media to talk about the democrats criticizing the health bill. It is an unnecessary distraction.

Brian Francis

"Seriously, how much criticism from Republicans ha...

2009-12-19T09:17:16.465-05:00

"Seriously, how much criticism from Republicans have you heard this month?"

Are you fucking kidding me?!?! You must have just gotten so used to hearing it that you no longer hear their CONSTANT BITCHING AND MOANING. Wow. this may seriously take the cake as the dumbest thing you've said in a while.

And you still haven't answered Rikyrah's question.....

The entire point of my argument is that Democrats ...

2009-12-19T06:52:26.004-05:00

The entire point of my argument is that Democrats are doing the bidding of Republicans. If they would just get something passed, they can improve the piece parts later. I am pissed because Moveon and these other liberal groups are trying to bring down reform because of less important provisions. I am arguing about tactics, not the importance of the provisions.

They are neutering Obama by working with the Republicans. Seriously, how much criticism from Republicans have you heard this month? None. It is all from Democrats, which is why Obama's numbers, and the bill's numbers have been decimated.

I agree with Brian that I want this bill to pass. ...

2009-12-18T21:53:50.768-05:00

I agree with Brian that I want this bill to pass. I don't care about abortion being in the bill. Doesn't Planned Parenthood run a lot of clinics where first term abortions are very inexpensive? Why not establish the bill, know what the situation is, and then establish a right to abortion via donations from all of us who believe that criminalizing abortion would be very dangerous for women? The internet is a great organizing tool.

One thing though that might be good about the pressure from MoveOn, etc. is that people like Lieberman and Nelson might let the bill get past cloture just to spite "the left."

I'm with Megan, how is it that MOVEON is in your ...

2009-12-18T20:57:54.052-05:00

I'm with Megan,

how is it that MOVEON is in your crosshairs, and not bought and paid for corporate shilling muthafuckas like Nelson, Lincoln, Landrieu, Baucus, LIEberman, etc.

you haven't answered the question...

what have these corporate bought and paid for mofos GIVEN UP in this process?

why shouldn't they? They are a liberal group, an...

2009-12-18T17:21:16.809-05:00

why shouldn't they?

They are a liberal group, and Obama has shit on them.

As a group that promotes progressive/liberal ideas and legislation, why wouldn't they try to kill this bill? It's not a liberal bill.

A right-wing group would do the same thing in a similar situation. And I do believe I recall them doing exactly that during the last few years of Bush's tenure.