Tuesday, October 6, 2009

An interview with Max Cleland

This morning on NPR, former Georgia Senator Max Cleland was interviewed about his new book "Heart of Patriot: How I Found the Courage to Survive Vietnam, Walter Reed and Karl Rove".

LISTEN HERE (link also includes the foreword from his book, which is an open letter to America's veterans).


I found myself enraged all over again upon hearing about the treatment this man, this veteran who lost three limbs to a grenade in Vietnam, by the United States Republican Party in 2002. They ran attack ads saying his claim of courageous leadership were 'misleading' and used the non-stop mantra from the classic Karl Rove politics of the time that he was unpatriotic. Saxby Chambliss won that election. Until this morning, I didn't know how much this loss affected Max Cleland and deprived him of the very thing he used as a sense of purpose following his service and time in Vietnam.

The sad thing? This is now the Republican strategy. They did it to John Kerry in 2004 with the Swift Boat ads. They did it in 2008 when they tried to paint Obama as a sympathizer who 'pals around with terrorists'. And they continue to do it to this very day, allowing the creeping undercurrent of attempts to illegitimize President Obama to go on unabated, unchallenged, and uncriticized.

Even more sad? The people who buy into it.

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28 Comments:

Anonymous Haterade said...

To borrow one of your phrases, "Get over it."

3:32 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

With all due respect to the Senator, I admire his courage, but if he can't win an election on his own, tough shit.

Before you go on a tangent, Megan, I've never espoused that being a veteran automatically qualifies you for public office. Max Cleland probably didn't deserve what he happened, but he's played enough politics to know the game.

Sidebar: Fuck John Kerry. He's one of the main reasons that so many of his brothers-in-arms walked off the jetway at Sea-Tac airport to a welcome home reception of being spit on and called "baby killer."

3:42 PM  
Anonymous megan said...

I'll officially count you as one of those sad people that buy into it.

Not that I really needed any proof.

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

Then I officially count you as unpatriotic.

Not that I really needed any proof.

3:53 PM  
Anonymous megan said...

that really means nothing coming from you.

looks like your party has taught you well, however. keep making them proud.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

Ditto.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous richard said...

come on Megan, don't you remember that only Republican veterans are sacred? If you serve in a war, come home, and vote with the Democratic party, then you are apparently unpatriotic.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

only in the modern day GOP would being a veteran become politicized so cheaply

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my opinion, John Kerry did it to himself by overemphasizing his Vietnam service. I voted for Kerry but the "reporting for duty" stuff made me cringe and the Bush/National Guard story was ludicrous and irritating to see Democrats buy into after Kerry and others had done so much Clinton defending over the draft story. If you look into the draft story, what really happened was that Bill Clinton had very high level political influence bending the system for him, not once but repeatedly. They actually had people at the draft board removing his file and stowing it away at relevant time periods. The Man from Hope who told reporters about using an outhouse at his grandparents home. It was an amalgam of phoniness and deceit. Its hard enough for a Democratic president to deal with military and military-lovers without Clinton's draft story tied around their necks.

Max Cleland always seemed kind of like John McCain - his whole career he used his Vietnam injuries just as McCain made it seem like he was the only POW the Vietnamese held for years and years. In reality, I think there were over 800 in the Hanoi Hilton.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haterade,
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous megan said...

richard: damn! Yes, I must have forgotten that pillar of the Republican party.

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

Anonymous, who the hell are you?

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Reader .5 of 10.5 said...

I may have overestimated the number of readers of this "blog".

Perhaps it is closer to 10.5

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see haterade offers no criticism of the point being made about the tactics of the GOP.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

I see anonymous is still offering nothing to the discussion besides anonymous shit talking.

6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I come out when I'm needed.

Love,
Anonymous Poster #4,322

6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you fellate the flag, do you prefer the gold eagle flag topper or the plain pointed flag topper?

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if 6:22 is "Funny" but that line was funny.

The eagle has some french tickler aspects to it.

6:25 PM  
Blogger Haterade said...

It's called a final, not a topper. And I've always been fond of the brass ball.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous s in Ohio said...

Actually, Haterade, it's called a "finial," not a "final." If you are thinking you are going to correct someone, you should probably be correct yourself....just saying....

10:56 PM  
Anonymous megan said...

HA! S in Ohio returns!

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Haterade said...

Good correction, S. I'm aware of the name. Sometimes I type too fast.

12:07 AM  
Anonymous megan said...

"Sometimes I type too fast"???

WEAK.

9:24 AM  
Blogger Haterade said...

Ooh. You got me on a typo.

9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but a typo with such smug gusto.

10:34 AM  
Blogger John said...

Haterade, why do you ask Anonymous to explain who he is, when you don't tell us who you are? I read this blog daily and enjoy it a lot. However, a lot of your comments seem to be awfully filled with anger (perhaps I'm swayed by your name) and I wonder if part of this comes from the fact that you're hiding behind a pseudonym.

6:07 PM  
Blogger Haterade said...

John, nice to meet you.

My point of contention with anons is that I'd like to know if I'm having a conversation with one person or twelve. There are a lot of instances where multiple anons will dog-pile a thread and it's impossible to stay on track with the original poster. I'm not asking for street addresses and social security numbers. My driver's license obviously doesn't say Haterade on it (but if it were possible for me to do so without legally changing my name, that would be awesome.) If you consistently post as John or any other pseudonym that suits you, then you and I can build a rapport. Whether it is positive or negative would most likely depend on the topic at hand. But at the very least we will have a debate that can carry over from one thread to another.

Hit and run anon posts that offer little more than name calling are counterproductive and sophomoric, and this is coming from a grown man that still enjoys dick jokes and homophobic/homoerotic innuendos.

8:10 PM  
Blogger John said...

Nicely said. Concur, other than the dick jokes.

12:45 AM  

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